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January 11, 2008

Your handy guide to Irish cultural etiquette

Filed under: Culture, Politics, Web — Shane @ 8:12 am

The site eDiplomat gives advice on whatever country diplomats have been posted to, including cultural etiquette. So, here’s what it says about Ireland. I’ve posted the whole thing, because it’s too good to edit. (Thanks to Fiona for pointing it out.)

By way of an introduction, it says:

The Irish are interested in people and place great value on the individual. They are naturally courteous, quick-witted and will go out of their way to welcome visitors to their country. Don’t rush the Irish. Although they work very hard, the Irish are dedicated to a less stressful lifestyle that allows time for friends and family, a visit to the pub, a cup of tea, or just a bit of a chat on the corner. Families are closely-knit and very important to the Irish.

Translation: They’ll be late and desperate for a pint, but don’t insult their mothers when they are.

“Meeting and Greeting”

- Shake hands with everyone present — men, women and children — at a business or social gathering. Shake hands again when leaving.
- A firm handshake with eye contact is expected.

Shake hands with the kids? Only if you want to catch something.

“Body Language”

- The Irish are not very physically demonstrative and are not comfortable with public displays of affection.
- The Irish are uncomfortable with loud, aggressive, and arrogant behavior.
- A “Reverse V for victory” gesture is considered obscene.

Translation: Our fathers showed us no affection, so don’t you start.

“Corporate Culture”

- Business is best initiated through a well-connected third party. Who you know may be vital to your business success.
- The Irish are not very time conscious and may not be punctual for business and social meetings. They have a relaxed sense of time and may be a little late for meetings. However, a foreigner should be on time for business meetings.
- Business cards are exchanged, but not necessarily immediately upon meeting.
- Irish people tend to be creative and calm in a crisis. They prefer to improvise rather than follow a rigid plan.
- Outwardly the Irish accept authority but inwardly have strong displeasure in accepting it. They also dislike bureaucracy.
- Planning and strategy are short term. Irish tend to be poor in long-range planning.
- Don’t be misled by the easy going and amiable attitudes of the Irish. In negotiations, the Irish are astute and tenacious.
- The golf course is a major venue for conducting business in Ireland.

There is so much euphemistic language in that section, it’s hard to know where to start. But poor long-range planners? Some day we’ll get our revenge for that comment - if we can get our act together.

“Dining and Entertainment” (this should be good)

- Business entertainment is commonly conducted in restaurants.
- Business dinners are usually considered more of a social occasion and a good way to develop relationships.
- Spouses may or may not be invited to a business dinner.
- The small plate next to a dinner plate is for peelings removed from boiled potatoes.
- It is polite to eat everything served to you in a private home.
- Table manners are the same as in England, only a bit more relaxed.
- Refusing a drink can be perceived as insult in Ireland.
- Always buy your round of drinks.

Two things: Thanks for pointing out the small plate/spuds thing. A mix up with the Hungarian ambassador over this brought us to the brink of war in 1987. And secondly, ALWAYS BUY YOUR ROUND OF DRINKS!

“Dress”

- Dress modestly and conservatively. Flashy colors and styles, white pants, nylon running jackets, etc. do not blend into Irish style.
- Tweeds, wools and subdued colors are recommended.
- A raincoat is needed year around.
- For business meetings, men should wear suits or sportcoats and ties; women should wear suits or dresses and blazers (women wear pants less often than in America).

Translation: Nothing blends into the Irish style, because the Irish have no style.

“Gifts”

- Gift giving and receiving is unusual in a business setting. Small gifts may be exchanged, but are not expected, at the successful conclusion of negotiations.
- When invited to someone’s home, always bring a small gift for the hostess. Give flowers (lilies are for religious occasions only; red and white flowers symbolize death), chocolates, a bottle of wine or continental cheeses.
- Do not give expensive or ostentatious gifts.

Expensive or ostentatious gifts are gratefully received

“Helpful Hints”

- The Irish respect reserved behavior. Initial meetings should be low key.
- Assume that children will be included in family entertaining.
- Send a thank-you note after receiving a gift or being a dinner guest.
- Always be sincere. The Irish dislike pretentious behavior.
- Remember the Irish want to do things their way. You will not succeed if you insist on doing it “your way.”

Irish solutions to Irish problems. And your problems to.

“Especially for Women”

- A foreign woman will be accepted easily in the Irish business community.
- The ‘Old Boys Club’ still exists. Whom you know is vital to getting the job done.
- It is considered more proper for a woman to order a glass of beer or stout rather than a pint.
- It is acceptable, but may be misconstrued for a foreign woman to invite an Irishman to dinner. It is best to stick with lunch.
- If a woman would like to pay for a meal, she should state so at the outset.

For further information on this, please read Angela’s Ashes.

16 Comments »

  • 1

    The Corporate Culture section is nail-on-head. In Cork anyway…

    ‘The Irish are not very time conscious and may not be punctual for business and social meetings’ - oh yeah, still hacks me off down here after 7 years.

    ‘Outwardly the Irish accept authority but inwardly have strong displeasure in accepting it. They also dislike bureaucracy.’ Me, and my job, in a nutshell (and everyone else I’d guess).

    None of it’s ludicrous…

    Comment by dealga | January 11, 2008 at 8:59 am
  • 2

    Genius Shane, thanks for the giggles this early in the day. Set up nicely now.

    Comment by 73man | January 11, 2008 at 9:13 am
  • 3

    Shane, Irish business women wear pants less often then their American counterparts.

    Does this mean they are willing to compromise their personal opinions of the casting couch to break through the glass ceiling?

    Comment by markg | January 11, 2008 at 10:30 am
  • 4

    That’s class Shane…

    “- Refusing a drink can be perceived as insult in Ireland.
    - Always buy your round of drinks. ”

    How schizophrenic is that?

    This bit is brilliant.

    There was a piece similar to this in some Lonely Planet guide as far as I can remember. It went something like; that the Irish will insist on buying you drink (which you must take), and will play down the fact that you have to get one back, but if you don’t you will be killed!

    We’re a mental race of people! I love it though!

    I once tried to explain all this to an American girlfriend of a mate, and it took me four hours and 8 pints later (I bought them all!)

    Obviously I failed!

    Comment by Daddy Dec | January 11, 2008 at 10:32 am
  • 5

    Jesus no wonder I have failed miserably so far - there’s me in my white jeans and nylon tracksuit top, handing out my business card at the start of meetings and using the side plate for my PINT of stout - I am suitably mortified.

    Comment by South Africa | January 11, 2008 at 11:10 am
  • 6

    Oh God - that is brilliant. So funny. I think my favourite bit has to be

    “Business is best initiated through a well-connected third party. Who you know may be vital to your business success.”

    In other words, everyone’s as bent as a nine bob note!

    Also, what the hell is a “nylon running jacket”???

    Comment by Neill | January 11, 2008 at 11:55 am
  • 7

    If a foreign woman asked me out to dinner I’d never misconstrue it. I’d just assume she wanted sex.

    Comment by Marcas | January 11, 2008 at 12:24 pm
  • 8

    Marcas…

    I should hope that you would send her a Thank You note after the event.

    Comment by Daddy Dec | January 11, 2008 at 12:30 pm
  • 9

    “Do not give expensive or ostentatious gifts.”

    The Irish are uncomfortable with these for very good reason - the sick feeling in the pit of one’s stomach which accompanies the limbic realisation that you’ve just been co-opted into a rounds system.

    And in Ireland, YOU ALWAYS BUY YOUR ROUND even if it means the wife and kids will have to do without such fripperies as a square meal.

    Comment by copernicus | January 11, 2008 at 12:55 pm
  • 10

    Neill - If you don’t know what a Nylon Running Jacket is, then I’ll send you a picture of myself at work today. Me and David Icke wear nothing but nylon running jackets.

    Comment by Shane | January 11, 2008 at 1:04 pm
  • 11

    Well done (in a sincere sort of way).

    The plate for potatoes is fantastic. Reminds me of “The Potato Man” scene in The Simpsons.

    Left out our incredible use of the English language though. Lets see how well a foreign diplomat could cope with “Tell your one to put the Tayto, spuds, and minerals in the press or I will be fierce dug out of her”.

    Comment by Jim Dubh | January 11, 2008 at 1:32 pm
  • 12

    Yes, Jim Dubh, the side plate for the spuds was the clincher for me.

    Markg - But I’ve also got a soft spot for the fact that Irish women don’t wear pants as often as American women. We’re a liberal bunch.

    Comment by Shane | January 11, 2008 at 2:35 pm
  • 13

    Jesus, I thought the side plate was for bread! Silly me!

    Comment by Niall | January 12, 2008 at 9:40 pm
  • 14

    Ah, so a “nylon running jacket” is actually a shellsuit?

    And these people have to be told not to wear them…?

    Comment by Neill | January 13, 2008 at 7:01 pm
  • 15

    Ha ha ha! Until moving to England, I really had no idea of how true the ‘irish time’ issue really is - am constantly being slagged for arriving a polite/lazy/relaxed 15 minutes after everyone else to all social occasions… Makes me giggle!

    Comment by flamingo | January 13, 2008 at 7:43 pm
  • 16

    Hello, I come from Singapore and i’m currently doing an assignment in which i will have to know more about Ireland’s social etiquette. I would greatly appreciate it if any Ireland people could enlighten me on this aspect. Thanks! :)

    Add me at:
    charlton_genius@hotmail.com

    Comment by Charlton | April 24, 2008 at 1:57 pm

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