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  • Time to throw away the L-plates

    October 27, 2007 @ 10:52 am | by Shane

    An interesting statistic popped up briefly this week, over a year since its first fleeting appearance. The offences of driving unaccompanied on a provisional licence and the non-display of L-plates have not been in the top 3,000 cases brought before the courts in a given year.

    There have been 3,000 illegal activities more likely to land you in trouble. You’d spend the rest of your life trying to guess them all, but each was considered more serious than driving two tons of metal and fuel at high speed, without proving that you even know which button works the window wipers.

    This is about to change. Even before the new Road Safety Strategy was announced this week, a Kildare district court judge had announced that he was going to start disqualifying offenders. Among his first targets was a provisional driver, fined €150 for driving unaccompanied. That driver must have stared at the judge with simmering incredulity. Driving without a qualified driver? Sure, your honour, you’d need to fine anyone who has ever had so much as an impure thought about furry dice. The provisional licence is part of our culture, our heritage. Our fathers drove on them, and our father’s fathers before them. Some of them still do. Unless they managed to get a licence by, say, buying it for £1 in the 1950s, or getting it in the great amnesty of 1980.

    The various laws surrounding the provisional licence have been among the most disregarded in the land. But, while acknowledging the State’s administrative incompetence, we should ask if we’re using it to disguise our own personal irresponsibility.

    Excluding those who have a licence but never passed a driving test, 431,900 are driving on provisionals - more than one in six drivers. But you do not see one in six refusing to take the motorway because they’re not allowed on it. You do not see them hanging around in car parks, waiting for a licensed driver to hop in and keep them company.

    Instead, we’ve become quite used to casually breaking the law. And while we have increasingly recognised this absurdity, there are still enough objectors who feel that any hardening of the law is just another erosion of our right to act as stupidly as we can get away with.

    The new road safety strategy, however, should bring this to a stop, although Noel Dempsey’s subsequent promise of a “common sense” approach for two or three months means it won’t be as sudden as first proposed.

    Alongside the problem caused by the backlog of tests, objections to dealing with the provisional licence problem have included the idea that the huge number of cases will soak up Garda manpower and clog up the courts. (Exactly the same argument, as it happens, was put forward during the debate over seatbelts.) This presumes that every learner driver needs to be sought out and prosecuted, when the introduction of penalty points has proven instead that people follow the law when they feel that there’s a real threat of being caught.

    Eventually, legal pressure gives way to cultural expectation. Most people put on their seatbelts automatically now. They don’t need someone standing over them looking at them as they do it.

    But it took a while. As recently as 1991, only half of drivers wore a seatbelt. By 2003, that figure was at 85 per cent and climbing. Compliance, though, noticeably jumped with the arrival of penalty points, suggesting that we react better to the stick than the carrot. The Government has learned this lesson, which may be why it has ambushed learner drivers in this way.

    We believe ourselves to be a people cheekily insolent towards authority, and objectors complain of another infringement by the nanny state, yet time after time - the smoking ban, penalty points - we’ve begun to look after ourselves and others only when we absolutely have to. When we can’t get away with it any longer.

    In the UK, meanwhile, over a 12-month period learner drivers will have to prove they can cope with rain, motorways and city streets before they can drive alone. And because statistics show that the risk of a crash increases when a young driver is accompanied by teenage passengers, it considered barring new drivers from carrying 10 to 20-year-olds between the hours of 11pm and 5am. It is considered unenforceable, and will not happen. Not now, at least.

    We have much catching up to do. The belated political will to tackle the problem reflects how short sighted and petulant both the Government and drivers have been. And, when the system and the attitude are finally reformed, we’ll look back in 10 years time and ask why we wore our L-plates for so long.

  • 10 Comments »

    1.
    October 27, 2007
    11:08 am

    The difference with the seatbelts is that you do not have to wait 6 months in order to use your seatbelt, you do have to wait that long to take the test. There are laudable ideas in the proposals from the RSA but the implementation is very poor. There is still not certification for instructors, no transparent assessment of the testers and if you take the test and fail you could spend 7 months not driving or else shelling out 80 per week for lessons until the next test date - anything less than 4 hours practice per week is not going to help you keep the skills you had acquired up and to allow you to improve. The vast majority of those with full licenses in Ireland learned while driving alone on their provisionals, that does not mean this should continue it does mean that they are being dishonest when they support claims that this crackdown is about road safety, if it were we would have seen a proposal for reseating the test every ten years. People are not better drivers the day after taking the test than they were the day before, and the sad fact is that many of people are never as good again as they were the day they took.

    http://www.petitiononline.com/moretime/petition.html

    Comment by Dan Sullivan
    2.
    October 27, 2007
    1:21 pm

    We have an obscene system where close to half a million people drive cars having taken no test at all or at best a pop quiz on road signs.

    It needs to be changed and it should have been changed a long, long time ago.

    The RSA’s proposals are all sound and I’ve not read a single one that I disagree with yet.

    My problem is with Dempsey and his decision (or willingness) as Minister for Transport to bring this rule change in when people have to wait on average nearly 5 months for tests, in some cases nearly 11 months, and to enact it while basically telling people not to pay too much attention to it anyway.

    The waiting list backlog should have been cleared first, the Garda Traffic Corp should have been properly established, then the rules should have been changed and then learners without an accompanying licence holder should have been given a proper slapping as they’d have no excuse for what they did.

    Still learning? Who’s teaching you? Already know how to drive? Well you had your chance to prove it but didn’t take it.

    I wouldn’t oppose regular re-testing but I don’t see it doing much to improve road safety. We’ve all had exams, we’ve all crammed beforehand and we’ve all felt the information falling out of our heads upon exiting the exam hall. In my opinion, the worst drivers on our roads are the ones who have their full licence (you know the know-it-all-type?)

    Making a long-term provisional holder as socially unacceptable as a smoker in a pub is one thing that has to be done. Another is that the Gardaí have to be given the resources to enforce existing legislation and the willingness to do so.

    I couldn’t count the amount of times I’ve seen people break road rules in the full view of a Garda or Garda car and yet nothing happened. Maybe the Garda thought the rule wasn’t important enough, maybe they didn’t want to do the paper work, maybe they were too lazy or maybe they didn’t realise a rule had been broken.

    All I know is the day people start getting fined for breaking the small rules is the day the occurrence of big accidents decline because it’s the day people stop becoming complacent about their driving.

    (By the way, I’ve not got any kind of driving licence but am applying for my theory test to get a “learner permit” as they’ll now be known… from the day I starting thinking about learning to drive I had hand-on-heart planned to follow the existing rules on 1st provisional holders having accompanying drivers as I felt I’d be hypocritical in regards to rules of the road otherwise. To that end these changes matter very little to me.)

    Comment by Adam
    3.
    October 27, 2007
    1:37 pm

    took me 18 months to get my last test.

    until that’s sorted, this kind of law change is completely ridiculous.

    they now say 43 weeks at my local test centre, but that’s optimistic I reckon.

    Comment by Ronan
    4.
    October 28, 2007
    1:05 pm

    Does anyone actually have any data on the percentage of accidents caused by drivers holding provisional licences?

    Comment by Eamonn
    5.
    October 28, 2007
    8:56 pm

    I’ve not seen any, Eamonn, but in fairness I’m willing to believe it leans towards them causing more than qualified drivers - by what extent is what interest me.

    The reason I say that is that going by figures on page 78 of this (http://www.rsa.ie/NEWS/upload/File/822_RSA_Strategy_ENG.pdf) document, the vast majority of serious road accidents are caused by young people, young males to be exact.

    While there are plenty of people with provisionals who are middle aged etc. (I know one or two) but the majority would be young people and so logic would dictate that the guilty party in these crashes are more likely to have been provisional holders than any other.

    Comment by Adam
    6.
    October 28, 2007
    10:28 pm

    Even if that fairly shaky thesis holds true, it doesn’t prove that the provisional license system is responsible for dangerous driving.

    For a problem that seems to be so great, there is very little discussion of what sort of driving is responsible for accidents.

    Judging by the marketing campaigns and what the RSA say it’s aggressive speeding.

    This is basically macho, idiotic behaviour. But it has little or nothing to do with skills or ability, or education.

    Speeding is not “bad driving”, it’s stupid driving, it’s dangerous driving.

    And it’s not something you do by mistake due to not having completed enough driving lessons.

    People want to speed. They know they’re speeding or driving dangerously and they do it.

    Comment by Ronan
    7.
    October 29, 2007
    11:46 am

    Shane Hegarty is quite right; the idea of getting a provisional licence and leaping into a car, feeling free to drive anywhere, is indeed, part of our culture, and it will come a s a huge cultural shock to those who think that a civil right has been taken away from them! I drive the M1 every day to my job in Beaumont; the lunatic behaviour of drivers whose only thought is to get some advantage over the next guy is shocking. There are large numbers of lone drivers displaying L plates,AND driving on the motorway. Look, realistically, the system is not being policed; I never see a cop on the motorway, unless there is an accident. How do they think they are going to police it now?
    A straw poll of my family and friends over the past few days revealed that most of them are going to chance it. My son-in-law works in the building trade; his current job is 18 miles from his home, and there are no public transport links.
    My son has a small baby with small baby needs, and a 6 year old; he bought a car to make family life a bit easier, living in one of those remote suburban estates.He, too is going to “chance it”. Again, he has no real options.
    Another factor to consider is the number of hospital patients who are driven to hospitals and clinics by L - driver relatives; the elderly, the chemo and dialysis patients, the weekly attendances for dresssings etc. If only half of those being ferried around by L- drivers were forced to fall back on the HSE patient transport system, it would simply collapse under the weight of the extra numbers.
    My son-in-law made a very funny observation yesterday; if you are going for your first driving test, you will have to be accompanied by a full licence holder in order to get there!
    I’m all for a tightening up of things, but let’s keep it sane here; I suggest holding back until the waiting list backlog ahs been cleared; in the Drogheda area, there is an approximate 8 to 9 month waiting list to take your test. This is absurd.You only have to walk through the town on a Saturday morning to see that about a third of the population are getting around on L plates!

    Comment by Marie McCormack
    8.
    October 29, 2007
    8:12 pm

    Even if that fairly shaky thesis holds true, it doesn’t prove that the provisional license system is responsible for dangerous driving.

    No, of course not but it’s quite obvious that the existing system allows for dangerous drivers even if doesn’t mean a provisional driver is automatically a dangerous driver.

    I’m not so sure if the definition of dangerous or bad driving is so vague - breaking road rules, not paying attention, speeding etc. are quite clearly dangerous driving.

    Interesting point you make about speeding not being bad driving; fair point… that said I think if you fail to follow rules of the road such as speed limits then you are a bad driver full stop, whether you fail to follow the rules out of ignorance or arrogance.

    Comment by Adam
    9.
    October 30, 2007
    12:00 pm

    I think the weird thing is that we all know the existing situation is wrong (but magically no one is responsible for us getting here) and by in large most people are agreed on the situation where we would wish to be, so this is purely a discussion about how we get there. Now what is instructive about the attitude of a lot of people is that the route to go is one of banning, yet isn’t that the policy for the most part at present and that does not appear to have worked very well at all has it?

    Comment by Dan Sullivan
    10.
    November 2, 2007
    12:22 am

    if we had an efficient testing system perhaps all these young males would have a licence, given that they could do the test every 5-6 weeks until they passed.

    does anyone honestly think that passing the driving test would stop people driving dangerously and aggressively, or even badly?

    even driving instructors admit that the test is one hour of the most abstract ridiculously over-careful driving imaginable!

    Comment by Ronan

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